tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post3801000826416973806..comments2007-11-07T10:38:53.863-07:00JonZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03339440484257418080noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-21978824180859034842007-11-07T10:38:00.000-07:002007-11-07T10:38:00.000-07:00nicely put taylor! i like itkathinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-39140570635854136522007-11-06T07:02:00.000-07:002007-11-06T07:02:00.000-07:00Ok, Jon, you say that you want to fix what people hear about you two, but no one can hear Wendy's side! Only your dumbass-Holier than thou claims!!!Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-32320578316577122752007-11-05T15:10:00.000-07:002007-11-05T15:10:00.000-07:00So it's a guilt thing really.Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-33290028765200091092007-11-04T09:15:00.000-07:002007-11-04T09:15:00.000-07:00because he knows he's wrong!kathinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-4284342750060031552007-11-02T18:08:00.000-06:002007-11-02T18:08:00.000-06:00Why doesn't Jon write on here?Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-79618217970482651052007-11-02T11:14:00.000-06:002007-11-02T11:14:00.000-06:00nice taylor!way to go!kathinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-57942036196771995692007-11-01T17:15:00.000-06:002007-11-01T17:15:00.000-06:00I am anonymous so if you got a problem please do tell.Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-55820348903203118992007-10-31T17:18:00.000-06:002007-10-31T17:18:00.000-06:00ok, good!Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-46780187199979872452007-10-31T12:26:00.000-06:002007-10-31T12:26:00.000-06:00The gmail requirement was removed a few days ago.Danae Zenorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00407346752181863895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-62535568151884644842007-10-30T18:27:00.000-06:002007-10-30T18:27:00.000-06:00ok, i dont have a google account so to bad you have a problem with it, tell it to someone who cares!<BR/>you hurt people Jon and dont post all of what your mom said only parts that would make her sound bad and you dont post what you said either! i read the e-mails to!! you are hurting people more then you know!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-36834045890992536732007-10-30T11:02:00.000-06:002007-10-30T11:02:00.000-06:00do you see what you have done jon? do you see how badly your selfish actions have hurt people? do you even care? probably not because that is the way you are. you are just like your father, but no, that's not possible because you're perfect, right? you are not perfect, and you are very wrong in this! i never thought you would be capable of something like this, but i guess i was wrong about you! have a good life!<BR/><BR/><BR/>by the way, this is kathi!kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-85860789922383734582007-10-30T08:51:00.000-06:002007-10-30T08:51:00.000-06:00FYI- I saw on the main board that Greg thought it odd how someone posted as anonymous. Just to let you know, I asked around here and it didn't come from inside this house. Just thought you might want to know. I thought that maybe one of the kids had written it, but they didn't. Just wanted that fact known. Of course, you probably won't believe that because I said it and we all know how unchristian I am and all!! By the way Greg, doesn't the Bible teach you not to judge, yet you do. I have read some of your past posts and find you to be rather a sniveling character. I question your Christianity. It isn't God I want no part of, but you and your brand or religion. You all remind me of the Pharisees. They, too, thought that they were the best with their noses in the air following all the rules. Jesus is here for those of us who aren't so perfect. One question for Jon- how did I ever slander Danae in all of this? HOW? You won't have an answer because I didn't. The only time I said ANYTHING about her was when I said that you were BOTH being lazy. I have not been spreading gossip about her. I have been saying nothing but good stuff about her since she got her act together and started caring for her child. YOU on the other hand, I have spoken about with my mom and sister. NOT everyone who happens to log onto a website. I also have purposely not spoken of so many things I could have said on here that would make you two look really bad because I care about you and don't want to do that to you. You have no problem doing it to me, but I can't control what you say. <BR/><BR/>I will miss getting to see Malikai on his birthday and at Christmas, but I will live through it because I, too, am tired of all of this. I won't go through the rest of my life feeling like I can't have an opinion or say anything to you without offending you. You are easily offended. If I have done anything in your growing up years to make you resent me so bad, I am sorry. I am not, however, sorry for what I said this time. It needed said. I still have the same opinion on those two matters. You know me. You know that I think it is important to be clean and you know that I think it is important to love your babies and give them lots of hugs. I won't change on these matters. I don't think that my attitude is any more out of place than yours obviously is. You have no cause for all of this, but you have persisted. I tell you what I think. I think that you are listening to other people and not what your heart knows is right. <BR/><BR/>I know that your birthday is coming up here in a few weeks. It will be really sad to not get to even send you a card, but you have made it clear that you want nothing to do with us. Dad says that as long as your heart is so cold towards us and as long as you persist in your attitude that I am not allowed to so much as send you a dime for a present or anything. He said if our opinions and ideas are so terrible to you, and if we are so awful to be around, then what we have to offer isn't worth anything to you either. I really wish that I hadn't bought a gift for Danae either. It doesn't seem fair that she got a gift and I can't send one to you or to Malikai. <BR/><BR/>If Robert calls me, and he often does to see how you are, I plan to give him you phone number and tell him that if he wants to know about you to call you himself. I will let him know that I feel that you and him have a lot in common. You both have no problem dumping people. <BR/><BR/>You say that you have boundaries. Where do those boundaries start and stop? With you mother only!! How brave of you! Not your wife. Not her family. Not anyone else. Just your mom. Well, I am getting better at dealing with your rejection. I have gone a couple of days without even looking on here, but today I was just wondering what all was being said about me so I decided to get on. I must say, between being compared to a spider by your holier than though friends and being talked about on here as if I wasn't a Christian, you pretty well have your bases covered. You say that I am slandering Danae, but give no thought to what you are saying publicly about me. Don't tell me that you didn't say these things either. You posted the comments from Becky. Even if it was Bible verse, you posted them towards me. You posted Greg's comments on here to make sure that everyone saw them. I could take Bible verses and turn them inside out too, but I don't. <BR/><BR/>You call yourself a Christian, but I don't see it. You can tell a Christian by their love and you are not showing any love at all. My concerns were voiced from a grandmother's heart. I want the best for Malikai. I am praying that he will be alright even though you have a hard heart towards him. I never called you a brat when you were a baby. I think that is awfully sad for him. You yourself said that he seemed so much less fussy here and I told you then that it was because he was getting attention. When you first got here one of the first things you said is that we couldn't pick him up much because he wasn't to be spoiled. Boy could I hear someone else telling you that!!! I told you that was not happening at grandma's house. He will be loved on when he is here. You and Greg are both so wrong about ignoring babies. I wish that you had needs that no one would meet. I hope that you feel really sad and lonely and that everyone ignores you and chalks it up to you throwing a fit and not wanting to spoil you. Babies that little cannot be spoiled. They can only either have their communications ignored or answered. NO OTHER IN BETWEENS!! If by changing my attitude you mean that I have to think that you are doing right when I feel you are so wrong, I won't!! That is my only crime. You say it is because I don't respect you but I can't respect everything that you do when I think that you are wrong. <BR/><BR/>By the way, talk about timing, Robert just called and I gave him your number as I said I would. Enjoy your visits with him. You two should have a lot to talk about!! You can talk about how east it is to tell me to get lost. Or how easy it is to decide I have no place in your life anymore. Or about how terrible I am. GO AHEAD!! You have talked to everyone else. Talk to him too!!1kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-91702384851250954482007-10-29T18:39:00.000-06:002007-10-29T18:39:00.000-06:00you are such a jerk Jon! learn to care about someone other than yourself! You need to listen and not post things publicly and say your mom is not Christian. I mean what the hell is she gonna do, come to your house with a gun! Obviously you dont know her well enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-76602355803265143542007-10-29T13:51:00.000-06:002007-10-29T13:51:00.000-06:00is stephanie banned from your house because she got in an arguement with danae when she was there?kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-56667730253107525722007-10-29T13:48:00.000-06:002007-10-29T13:48:00.000-06:00i have read it and reread it and can only find that she was trying to help you. she didn't say anything nasty until you got nasty, all she did was defend herself, but you can't possibly be wrong can you? what you don't want to continue this because you know i'm right!kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-62659326152463230912007-10-29T13:26:00.000-06:002007-10-29T13:26:00.000-06:00I'm not going to continue this discussion on any further. I've said earlier why I told mom not to come, it isn't just one reason, so if you want to know, reread it.JonZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03339440484257418080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-12172522319754276562007-10-29T13:17:00.000-06:002007-10-29T13:17:00.000-06:00no, you didn't mention her by name in the current write up, but you did in the previous one that everyone had seen. Everyone knew who you were talking about. You have gotten mad and forbidden mom to visit you when all she did was discuss these issues with you. She may have gotten a little grumpy, but so did you. You expect her not to care about Malikai. You tell her things that worry her and then want to say she has no reason to worry. She never even said anything bad against Danae. She only said you were both being lazy and for that you told her not to visit. Good going Jon!! You're such a wonderful Christian example!! At least now she sees that you are a hypocrite and no better than anyone else. Now that you don't have mom to get mad at and try to bully, who's it going to be? Danae? HA!!! She keeps your balls in a box that only she has a key to!!kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-8971514650494593472007-10-29T12:34:00.000-06:002007-10-29T12:34:00.000-06:00I'm not slandering mom, I took down all posts mentioning mom and replaced it with a post that didn't imply her a single time. Mom brought herself into it with her comment.<BR/><BR/>A very few people actually read my blog, mostly family and a couple of my friends, so no, the entire internet isn't going to see i.<BR/><BR/>The problem with mom giving advice is she doesn't know what her boundaries are, she doesn't just give advice, she expects that you do anything she advises and then gets mad if you don't. It isn't her place to dictate to us how we are to raise Malikai. I have said the same thing from the beginning.<BR/><BR/>And I never called mom a devil worshiper, ever. Quit slandering me by accusing me of something that I never said.JonZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03339440484257418080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-59623738444206851022007-10-29T07:38:00.000-06:002007-10-29T07:38:00.000-06:00so what you, and this guy are saying is that, slandering your mother, and putting it onthe internet for the whole world to see is just fine, and the most christian thing you can do, but giving your son advice and talking about it with your family, oh that's is the worst thing you can do and automatically makes you a devil worshiper!kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-35997639320479353852007-10-28T00:20:00.000-06:002007-10-28T00:20:00.000-06:00As far as how I called from work, check out <A HREF="http://makingdisciples.eternaltruthministry.com/2007/10/googles-grand-central-first-impressions.html" REL="nofollow">Grand Central</A>.<BR/><BR/>And anybody who doesn't have a google account, should get one!<BR/><BR/>But I still removed the gmail requirement, at least until things get carried away. ;)JonZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03339440484257418080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-37205793552436297322007-10-27T23:41:00.000-06:002007-10-27T23:41:00.000-06:00Another thing...you called Greg from work? How?? o_O<BR/><BR/>I think the gmail requirement is dumb. The only peoples' opinions that matter are ones with GMAIL accounts, didn't you know? <BR/>>=0)Danae Zenorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00407346752181863895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-88875460693294602122007-10-27T23:35:00.000-06:002007-10-27T23:35:00.000-06:00i think u need to get rid of the google requirement for this blog.Danae Zenorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00407346752181863895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-49468682909454980562007-10-27T23:20:00.000-06:002007-10-27T23:20:00.000-06:00A message was posted in the chatbox of <A HREF="http://www.eternaltruthministry.com" REL="nofollow">ETM</A> from Greg regarding his thoughts on this situation, so I'm posting them here only because he doesn't have a google account. I called Greg and he said that he would like me to post this so we get another parents point of view for this.<BR/><BR/>===========<BR/>From Greg<BR/>===========<BR/><BR/>No worries Jon, we are ALL praying for this situation. I am reminded of what the Bible says about being known by the fruit we bear. In laymens terms, if we call ourselves a pear tree, but obviously only produce apples, no amount of "saying" were a pear tree will convince anyone of anything. Just because peopl in your life are calling themselves "Christians", their fruti will bear their witness.......not only to other Christians, but to others in the secular world............If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, & flies like a duck, then no matter HOW much they call themselves a eagle, it doesn't make them one........WE love you guys & WILL be praying for you & hopefully hearts will get chaged. If not, may God have mercy..............~Greg from MWCity, OK~<BR/><BR/>I tried to post this in response of your blog.....but couldn't. So I will post it here...............................Jon, rest assured that you & Danae are just fine by YOUR raising of YOUR child. I have & continue to raise 4 VERY healthy little boys by doing MANY of the exact same things you are & by ALSO being told by their doctors that they are PERFECTLY healthy & fine. In fact, it is a PROVEN fact, not just assumption, that allowing a child to cry, is healthy for them. It is allowing their lungs to develop & grow. What isn't healthy for them is to run & pick them up every single time they wimper. In fact, there are MANY studies stating that NOT allowing your children to cry, actually makes them more adapt to develop ashma & other breathing problems later in life.<BR/><BR/>Many prayers are going up for you guys in hopes that someday maybe families can be healed, but if not, know that what you guys are doing for your child is doing him just fine. God Bless you all........GregJonZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03339440484257418080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-28194855917893703942007-10-26T18:22:00.000-06:002007-10-26T18:22:00.000-06:00how were you not trying to bring me up when before you took the other blogs off, you said your mother?kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1445578749498911216.post-63193433681511868362007-10-26T18:05:00.000-06:002007-10-26T18:05:00.000-06:00you notice the only time i say anything is after i've been around you and you've told me these things.kathihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08877623273872215013noreply@blogger.com